Thursday, April 28, 2005

The Truth Will NOT Set You Free

John Wesley once said that religion did not consist in orthodoxy, or right opinions. Indeed, “A man may be orthodox in every point; he may not only espouse right opinions, but zealously defend them against all opposers….He may be almost as orthodox - as the devil, (though, indeed, not altogether; for every man errs in something; whereas we cannot well conceive him to hold any erroneous opinion,) and may, all the while, be as great a stranger as he to the religion of the heart.”

A bit of a shattering thought, that: “…a man may judge as accurately as the devil, and yet be as wicked as he.”

Truth will not set a person free. Truth, applied, will. Which is what Jesus meant when he articulated that famous verse from the Gospel of John: “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Holding to the truth in the gospels apparently meant following Jesus to the lost, the sick, the hungry, the thirsty, the imprisoned, and the naked.

Too many would rather talk the truth, and correct all others’ theology, without first applying the truth to their families, to the needy in their communities, to the Christ-less masses around the world. And don’t get the impression this columnist thinks preaching of truth is unimportant, or that a strong, biblical statement of faith and the worldview that proceeds from it are not critical. Indeed, here is the statement of my own seminary and, here, of my denomination. Strong statements, both. And necessary.

But merely statement of truth is dangerous. Thomas Henry Huxley once said, “The great end of life is not knowledge, but action. What men need is as much knowledge as they can organize for action; give them more and it may become injurious. Some men are heavy and stupid from undigested learning.”

Interesting that the Hebrew word for “know,” yada, according to cholar Marvin Wilson embraced much more than information. Facts and orthodoxy were not enough; it also implied a response in the practical domain of life, in behavior and the morality that informed that behavior. In short, says Wilson, to “know” was to “do.” It went well beyond the cognitive domain. It meant to put truth in motion, to act.

The yada of Hebrew is first used, interestingly enough, of sexual relations: Adam encountered/experienced Eve (Gen. 4:1). At its most profound level this word expressed the desire of God that His people would know Him – not just intellectually, but in a much more intimate and experiential sense. They would experience their God – love Him, interact with Him, develop an intimacy with Him, and act on His behalf.

On the radio program I host, we recently discussed People’s “Most Beautiful People” issue. It is comprised of good-looking people from Hollywood, basically. But the question to my listening audience was this: Who are the people in our culture today that are beautiful, in a biblical sense? My own choice included Bruce Olson, of Bruchko fame – who traveled down to South America as a very young man with the gospel and became a missionary legend. Incredible book, beautiful man. I also offered the name Charles Colson, a man who is a brilliant thinker and writer but who is more at home in the prison sharing truth with men and women in need. Doers of the Word, both.

The older I get, the more I have started defining beauty and Christlike ministry in terms of “truth applied,” instead of simply “truth talk” and heresy-hunting. It seems to be consistent with the mind of Christ: “My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

40 Comments:

At 2:22 PM, Anonymous Jimmy Cracker Corn said...

Great comments Matt.

I grow weary of the spiritual snobbery that seems to show up each time the church really starts to engage culture. Jesus did it, we do it, what's the problem? Oh, the problem is that it's not you and your ideas. Sorry, but guess what, there's room for you too! Get on board or get your own thing going, but at least stop arguing and complaining all the time! It kills the momentum.

Jimmy Cracker Corn

 
At 4:18 PM, Anonymous curious said...

Ah,Matt.Are you still sore from the R.W. article recoil?Are you assuming that the people who oppose this message don't 'do' anything?We believe the 'truth' is being twisted. Why is it so hard for you to get that?

 
At 4:31 PM, Blogger Matt Friedeman said...

Curious:

Oh, dear. You saw a connection between the two articles?

Another week, another column. That's all!

Thanks for reading.

 
At 6:14 PM, Anonymous threefold cord said...

jah. I concur.

 
At 9:47 AM, Anonymous Paul Proctor said...

Matt,

Why WOULDN'T we see "a connection between the two articles," when at your other blog:

http://evangelismtoday.blogspot.com/2005/04/truth-will-not-set-you-free.html

you specifically stated that your new article was: "For our heresy-hunter friends..."

This is exactly the kind of cowardly, disingenuous, dialectic doublespeak that Rick Warren and other CGM proponents engage in. If you can't successfully persuade the opposition, you quickly change the subject to try and redirect them away from YOUR error to a presupposed or superimposed weakness of THEIRS.

If THAT doesn't work, you retaliate with name-calling ("heresy-hunters") and innuendo: (“…a man may judge as accurately as the devil, and yet be as wicked as he.”)

Then when THAT doesn't work, you play dumb and deny any knowledge, connection or relevance.

The bottom line is this, Matt: Whether the works of those who object to your Warren endorsement meet your personal standards or those of scripture, Warren is still a phony, a liar and a heretic.

Get back to the original subject that YOU brought up and defend it with the Word of God. Don't hide behind the famous quotes of Wesley and other past religious leaders and obfuscate your way around scriptural accountability and responsibility.

 
At 10:13 AM, Anonymous Paul Proctor said...

Correction: The "other blog" I mentioned is:

http://www.inthefight.blogspot.com/

 
At 10:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt: It isn't "works", it is the condition of the heart that the "works" come from. The "truth" is in the heart and out of the "Spirit of Truth" flows the "fruit".
Matt:
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniqity."
Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version

Matt:
Websters defines "Work" : To bring to pass: EFFECT

Websters defines "Iniquity": 1. Gross injustice : wickedness 2. An iniquitous act or thing : SIN

I depart on this final note:

Is the American "church" and it's "Pastor" effecting and bringing to pass a gross injustice by keeping "The Good News" to themselves, while "preaching" "peace and safety"?

Brent

 
At 10:28 AM, Anonymous PJ said...

Matt--- I didn't see a connection between your article and the RW uproar. I saw a connection between Jimmy Cracker's comment and the RW uproar. I suspect that's what Curious saw too. Sure, those of us who criticize Rick's false teachings just sit on our duffs doing nothing but criticize...

If that is the case, why did we wait until it was at our door, flooding into our churches, becoming a widespread fad, before we acted, if all we do is go out and search for heresy?

 
At 10:32 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

We are OF COURSE to HUNT HERESY!

1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

to do THIS,

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

to KEEP PURE DOCTRINE IN THE CHURCH,

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

OBVIOUSLY God wants PURE DOCTRINE in HIS Church, and APPROVES 'heresy hunting'!!

Only heretics hate them!

Heretic season is OPEN, and the hunting is good!

Especially on this DOKTER'S Blog!

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 11:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I AM the way the TRUTH and the life..."

TRUTH in the Gospels is a Person not a social concept.

You said:

"Truth will not set a person free."

Oh, yes, He surely can.
Praise Jesus He surely has!

You said:

"Holding to the truth in the gospels apparently meant following Jesus to the lost, the sick, the hungry, the thirsty, the imprisoned, and the naked."

Jesus said:

"If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Logos is the Word made flesh that Jesus speaks of in the above verse. Jesus tells us to abide IN HIM, the WORD. Then we shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make us free. So holding to the TRUTH in the Gospels was simply abiding IN JESUS. And may I reiterate that the TRUTH can and does set us free - from sin and death.

Hallelujah!

 
At 11:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If benevolent acts are the true litmus test of being Christ like, then I guess most religious groups and civic organizations will inherit eternal life. To defend people like Mr. Warren who so grossly mishandle Scripture is inexcusable, as your are endorsing the postition that his works outweigh the Word. There is a further implication that no one who fundamentally holds to the purity of the Word ever does anything. May we draw from this ridiculous line of thinking that the Apostles were are theologically liberal? And, to see people in the modern church who do not believe that the revelation of truth will set men free is very sad. A man cannot become a doer of the Word until he becomes a true believer of the word. Faith without works is dead, just as works without faith is likewise. Paul wrote in Acts 17 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands as though he needed any thing..." God can and will accomplish His purpose with or without our "good deeds". Should I surmise that the good PhD would have us believe that those who Christ told us would one day say "Lord have we not done thus and such in your name?" to which He would reply "Depart from me, I never knew you" were fundamentalists? The integrity of the first century church was of such importance that God required that Ananias and Sapphira pay the ultimate price for their actions. Had these folks been around today, God would have been just as displeased with what they did, however their local PDC may have named their new "Paintballing and Motocrossing for Jesus" wing in their honor.

Jesus did not ask if He upon His return to Earth one day future would find action: He asked if He would find faith. Faith produces works, works do not produce faith, though they certainly will come as a result of it. Good works, in and of themselves, prove nothing.

And Jesus "engaged" fallen man, He did not engage the culture.

tom in tn

 
At 11:57 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

PHD,

Putrified Humanist Doctrine

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 12:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt: I have said many times to people,
"There will be many in Heaven who never did anything that man would deem as good "works", but there will be in mass, many who did good "works" that will be in Hell."

"I believe most of the "evangelist" and "missionaries" will have never left their jobs to do so."

Matt: I am "probably" sure you have good intentions telling us we should stop looking for heresy and just get about the "buisness" of "works", I think from your posts you have been about the "buisness" a while, and have forgotten what brought you into the "Church", the Word, Holy Spirit and Faith, not "works" as proof.
I wonder if you haven't just been caught up in too much "church" and not enough "Spirit of Truth".
Brent

 
At 12:31 PM, Anonymous DME said...

Bravo! to those who are discerning and have not only pointed out "the connection" but have taken time to share excellent observations, edifying comments, and -- most importantly -- comments grounded in Holy Scripture: "Old Sword" Bible verses [KJV](instead of the rubberized/new-and-user-friendly/malleable/deceptively-improved/artful-imitations/counterfeits).
Thank you brother Paul Proctor, and "Bible Believer" and brother "anonymous," et al, who have wielded the "Old Sword" with love and in the "grace and truth" of the matchless Lord Jesus Christ [Who, as already pointed out, is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE]. Yes, the Lord said in Matthew 24:35:"Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away." Many like to rush to use John 8:32, but skip John 8:31:"IF ye continue in my word, THEN are ye(...)AND ye shall know the truth..."[emphases added]

 
At 12:44 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

WHICH WORDS?

ALL OF 'EM,

Gen 1:1 - Rev 22:21

For HE IS,

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh

ISN'T HE?

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 3:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This article seems to be an attempt to place orthopraxy above that of orthodoxy. Of course, both are needed, and both are of great importance (James 2). Notwithstanding, what appeals to many viewers today is the 'work' that is being done for Christ. If there is anything that watchmen on the wall should be reporting today, it is this.

It is difficult to not be impressed with what we see with our eyes. It is a human trait. How can we look at the incredible work being done today in the name of Jesus Christ and not be impressed? Look at the work enacted by men like Billy Graham, Charles Colson, Benny Hinn, and yes, even Rick Warren. All of these are being done in the name of Christ.

The last time I checked, I Samuel 15:22 was still in the Bible. I thought God desired obedience rather than sacrifice?

If God asks for obedience, and if men today are more concerned with the 'work' they are doing than with obedience to what God has said, we have a serious problem -- a problem that needs to be declared by all watchmen.

Oh it's true. You can't have one without the other. Orthodoxy and orthopraxy are both needed. However, I think it is obvious today to discerning Christians that the need of the hour is Biblical doctrine first ... then Biblical practice. The emphasis should not be the other way around. To do so would be contradicting the Life and Teachings of Christ.

I think this article is misguided and is missing the real need today in Christianity.

sincerely, me

 
At 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt, you're quoting T.H. Huxley? Darwin's Bulldog? Why would you do something like that?
Thomas Henry Huxley was one of the first adherents to Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, and did more than anyone else to advance its acceptance among scientists and the public alike. As is evident from the letter quoted above, Huxley was a passionate defender of Darwin's theory -- so passionate that he has been called "Darwin's Bulldog".

 
At 4:53 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

Gotta wonder 'bout this'n too,

The DOKTER said,

"Charles Colson, a man who is a brilliant thinker and writer but who is more at home in the prison sharing truth"

Which BRILLIANT TRUTH of Colson's did you mean DOKTER?

Would it be, Mary's redemptive qualities, the salvic GRACE available in a cookie, which catholic error, and idolotry, were you thinking was the GREATEST and Most true THINKING amongst Colson's BRILLIANT thoughts?

THIS IS WHY HERESY MUST BE HUNTED, AND KILLED WHERE FOUND!

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 5:40 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

So I went, I saw, I giggled!!

The DOKTER siggests we check out his demonomination,

found this,

2. We believe in Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead; that He was eternally one with the Father; that He became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and was born of the Virgin Mary, so that two whole and perfect natures, that is to say the Godhead and manhood, are thus united in one Person very God and very man, the God-man.

"was born of the Virgin Mary,"

Might I ask why his demonomination gives Mary a title?

It is CAPITALIZED same as the Holy Spirit, is SHE on EQUAL standing there DOKTER?

IS she still EXTRA VIRGIN or whatever the papists call it?

LOL...;o)

ThanX fer the link DOKTER, good laugh there!!

In His,(not His mother's) Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 5:59 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

the DOKTER also suggests that we visit his cemetary school,

WBS,

they say this,

"The supreme authority of the Word of God"

DOKTER, observe,

KING JAMES BIBLE,

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

NON INSPIRED VERSION, (niv),

1Co 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

"foolishness of what was preached"

IF you can diagram a sentence you see the niv has God Almighty calling the Gospel foolishness.

Which version would you, or your cemetary say IS the TRUE WORD of GOD, DOKTER?

You said your hero Colson was a geat thinker and writer. I can think and write also, you just DON'T like what I think and write, huh DOKTER?

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 6:24 PM, Anonymous Janice said...

Is it just me or did anyone else notice a common thread (or a couple) with these CGM leaders? Both 'works' and 'knowledge' keeps coming up as the topics they actively promote. 'Knowledge is the key to freedom' is a very very New Age belief. Look it up. It's perculiar that so many so called prominent leaders feel the need to get the 'dr' and alphabet soup around their names. And we know about the 'works' thing - no need to start that up. Seems like works is played up much more in CGM than repented faith and even missions. I rarely hear those words anymore - it's always 'leaders', and 'church growth'. The Gospel of Christ seems forgotten in all the activity that's supposedly for the promotion of the Gospel.

So many have taken a walk on the ecumenism path that few see the need to preach the only Name that saves - Jesus! Even our President, who confesses to be a born-again believer, stated that God and Allah are one and the same. And that same president just praised RW for his church and P.E.A.C.E. plan.

Also, they call us faithful Bereans 'devisive' when in fact these CGMs are the one's who brought in change and caused the split. I find that most interesting....

Puzzle pieces are starting to fit together nicely...

 
At 10:03 PM, Anonymous tom montali said...

Well now, seems that what we have "hear"....is...a fail-ure...to co-mun-icate....

....as many (few?) will understand, in that you have experienced the utter frustation of the futility of trying to "get through" to these.

Why is it that some folk are unable to discern the true gospel from "another gospel, which is not another"....and apparently, be completely unconcerned that "....there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ." (Gal. 1:7)

Hmmmm, wonder why that could be.

Well Jesus said this about these....

Matt. 13:15
"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

If you cannot see or hear the "grave" error in this blatantly twisted "message" (that's one for Eugene), then the question must be raised. Why not?

Is there something more important to you than the truth of the Word of God?

Ps. 119:89 "Forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven."

What about "relationships", or position, or salary, or reputation? What about a resume? Remember what Paul said about his resume:

Phil. 3:
vs. 4 "Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:"

vs. 7 "But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ."

vs. 10a "That I might know him....."

Lose it all if necessary..... anything that is in the way of the "love of the truth", and knowing him.......

vs. 18-19 "(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)


Any who, for whatever reason, do not "love the truth", will not be able to hear or see. It is a judgement of God. Strong delusion. Again, this is a judgement.
The heart is the issue.

2 Thes. 2:
vs. 10b "....because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
vs. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

A false gospel is a lie. It deludes people with a false security.


To all who Love Jesus in the truth:

Matt: 13:16
(Jesus said)...." But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear."

"Come out of her my people...." (Rev. 18:4)

 
At 12:10 AM, Anonymous Fellow Christian said...

Craig,

Enough with the insults already...

Calling seminary Cemetary, a Doctor a DOKTOR, etc is simply an insult, and very immature at that.

By the way Craig, you are not only insulting Matt, but the entire Nazarene Denomination by your uninformed comments about Mary. If you study at all, I'm sure you would find that out.

How about, before this gets any worse, we just call a truce and decide to act like brothers? As 1 Peter 3:9 says, let's be blessings to each other because this is why we were called.

Signed J,
A Christian who would rather this all turned into something encouraging.

 
At 1:25 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

J, The DOKTER'S LIBERALITIES ASIDE, his ENDORSEMENT of R Warren's HERESY, IS HERESY, and insults JESUS CHRIST, His PURE DOCTRINE, and ALL Christians who DEFEND true DOCTRINE.

He invited us to examine his demonomination, they TITLE Mary as do the papists,

And the TITLING of Mary INSULTS the TRUTH,

He was born of a virgin, who's name is Mary!

NO NEED FOR THE TITLE, 'Virgin Mary' is there?

Capitalized as is "Holy Spirit"! You would DEFEND that 'J'??

To reiterate what much of this is over,

Brother Paul said,

you specifically stated that your new article was: "For our heresy-hunter friends..."

This is exactly the kind of cowardly, disingenuous, dialectic doublespeak that Rick Warren and other CGM proponents engage in. If you can't successfully persuade the opposition, you quickly change the subject to try and redirect them away from YOUR error to a presupposed or superimposed weakness of THEIRS.

If THAT doesn't work, you retaliate with name-calling ("heresy-hunters") and innuendo: (“…a man may judge as accurately as the devil, and yet be as wicked as he.”)

Then when THAT doesn't work, you play dumb and deny any knowledge, connection or relevance.

The bottom line is this, Matt: Whether the works of those who object to your Warren endorsement meet your personal standards or those of scripture, Warren is still a phony, a liar and a heretic.

Get back to the original subject that YOU brought up and defend it with the Word of God. Don't hide behind the famous quotes of Wesley and other past religious leaders and obfuscate your way around scriptural accountability and responsibility.

Remember please the DOKTERS terminology,

""For our heresy-hunter friends..."

Did he learn that terminology in cemetary school?

and this,

**(“…a man may judge as accurately as the devil, and yet be as wicked as he.”)**

Proving the DOKTER incorrect by SCRIPTURE makes his opponent as "WICKED AS THE DEVIL"?

And 'J' please trace back to the DOKTER'S comments on Warren to better understand the fight!

Christians and HERETICS are NOT brothers!!!

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Which part of REJECT don't you get 'J'?

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 1:41 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

'J' Here is a small taste of the HERESY the DOKTER endorses,

Assist news reported that before Pastor Warren spoke to the crowd at Angels Stadium, he broke into an impersonation of Jimi Hendrix singing his big hit song, Purple Haze with the help of his church’s band. You know what they say: “Impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery” and Warren is, as many folks know, a frustrated rocker. You remember Jimi, don’t you? the occult led, drug laden guitarist who choked on his vomit after an apparent overdose of illegal drugs a few decades ago? Ah, there’s just no business like show business, is there? Yes sir; give ‘em what they want and leave them begging for more! I heard the crowd in Anaheim went wild. Go figure…

Warren: "I stand before you confidently right now and say to you that God is going to use you to change the world."

“Change the world?” Isn’t that what John Lennon sang about in his song “Revolution” with Yoko Ono by his side? Are you seeing a pattern here yet? No, you won’t find any directive in the scriptures where Jesus or any of the disciples ever instructed us to “change the world.” In fact, the Bible teaches something completely different:

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1st John 2:15-17

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor69.htm

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt/

 
At 2:54 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

'J' said,

"simply an insult"

And what were these, 'pats on the back'??

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers,

Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil,

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,

Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil

1Co 15:36 Thou fool

2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts,

Jud 1:10 ..as brute beasts,

Yes 'J' Jesus called REAL PEOPLE,

Serpents,

Vipers,

Dogs,

Swine

His Disciples followed suit,

why do you suppose that is 'J'??

Peradventure the good DOKTER could enlighten you!!

LOL....;o)

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 11:06 AM, Anonymous David said...

The views expressed in this article sounded a lot like liberation theology.

Interesting that you quoted TH Huxley, a Darwinian and Freemason. Satanist, maybe even. Will we see an Anton LaVey quote from you anytime soon?

Regards, David

 
At 11:15 AM, Blogger John P. said...

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Thank God for His Word!

This what God's Word, KJV-Holy Bible, has to say to us concerning RW, et.al:

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Phi 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Phi 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Translation: more concerned with NICKELS/NUMBERS/NOSES (pragmatism at work)than with seeing God's Truth setting people free from the bondage of sin and death.

And as an encouragement my Lord Jesus said this:

Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 
At 5:19 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

A pioneer of Christian happy-talk:

"...churches brim with converts committed only to their personal self-actualization, publishers lavish feel-good pabulum on their readers, and the airwaves ring with an emotive rendering of Christianity that would fit nicely alongside the corruptions of faith Jesus chides in the second and third chapters of Revelation.


"More than 30 years ago, Vance Havner, in his book 'Playing Marbles with Diamonds,' offered the following insightful: 'The devil is not fighting religion; he is too smart for that. He is producing a counterfeit Christianity so much like the real one that good Christians are afraid to speak out against it. … Today, the angle is to avoid 'negative' preaching and accentuate only the positive.' ...

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/


http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm

 
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

THE CULT OF SINLESS PERFECTION OR
ENTIRE SANCTIFICATION



Why is this a cult?

Answer: They blaspheme the Word of God

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

When the holiness people, any of them, claim they reach entire sanctification, they are making God a liar. They are arrogantly stand against God himself. This means that, as the text above states, his Word if not in them. The Truth is not in them. They are lost and on the way to hell. You may wonder why I would say this so confidently. Let God speak in his Word again:

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

These sinless perfection, entire sanctification, people take away the words from the very mouth of God. He says we may NOT claim we are without sin, and they slap his face and say they ARE without sin.



Here is the Nazarene doctrine of sins of the head and sins of the heart hogwash-- their statement:

The Nazarene Church believes and teaches the doctrine of ENTIRE SANCTIFICATION, or SINLESS PERFECTION. The Nazarene Church believes that a person who has been saved and born-again can achieve SINLESS PERFECTION in this lifetime. In an act subsequent to trusting Christ for salvation, which some call the Baptism of the Holy Spirit or SECOND BLESSING, one is said to be cleansed at that moment from ALL inward sin...and it is 'eradicated' when one is baptized with the Holy Spirit.

"this 'sinless' person can still commit 'involuntary and inescapable shortcomings, infirmities, faults, mistakes, failures, or other deviations from a standard of perfect conduct that are RESIDUAL of the fall. However, such INNOCENT effects do not include attitudes or responses contrary to the spirit of Christ, which may be properly called sins of the spirit."

I dear saint, a faithful husband and father, came home one day to learn that his wife had run off with a holiness preacher. The Satanic preacher told the lady that anything she did with him was not sin because he was sinless.

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/perfectioncult.htm

In HIS , (the ONLY SINLESS ONE) Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 2:17 PM, Anonymous Brad E. said...

Craig,

It seems your animosity and zealotry is obfuscating your ability to understand holiness doctrine. If you had read Wesley, or even the 30 Biblical texts (compared to your single text) upon which he basis the doctrine, perhaps you'd have a more elucid response. The doctrine is not new to Nazrenes, not new to Wesley. It's certainly not new to the church. Question: what exactly does Christ mean when he says, "Love the Lord your God with ALL your heart, soul, mind and strength?" And what does the Word mean when it says, "Be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect"? Are these just unattainable ideals, or is it possible we can be all God wants us to be? Sure, Paul wrote of the struggle of carnality in Romans 7. But He also wrote of the victory in Romans 8. Don't prooftext, Craig. The message of the Bible is clear: by God's Spirit, we can be restored to Him, and enabled to walk in faithfulness.

 
At 2:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bible believer, if you're bent out of shape about the "Virgin Mary", you must never have heard of something we Christians call the Apostles Creed. It says something like: "and in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary." If its okay for "Bible Believer" to have a title, why not the the Virgin Mary? But I suppose we're all just "papists" in disguise, right?

 
At 2:48 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

"papists" in disguise, right?

right,

the truth,

He was born to a virgin.

Truly, nothing else is NEEDED!

IT'S ABOUT HIM, AND WHAT GOD THE FATHER DID, NOT WHAT she DID!


b.e., Wesley denounced sinlessness

And Paul, said there is NO SUCH THING!!!

In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 3:46 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

Comparing titles

Virgin Mary-vs-Bible Believer

THAT is funny,

Sir,

I will ALWAYS be a BIBLE BELIEVER,

Mary had OTHER children!

Keep the laughs comin!!

In His Service,
Craig, aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 5:35 PM, Anonymous Brad E. said...

Where exactly did Paul say, "There's no such thing as sinlessness?"

And what do you mean, Wesley denounced sinlessness?

And again, what of the Great Commandment? Can that be seen as sinlessless? The command to "be perfect"? What of these?

 
At 5:50 PM, Anonymous Bible Believer said...

Nope, you show where he said he was, or anyone could be, sinless.

This IS my final answer, and yours,

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Argue that, and call GOD a LIAR if you wish.


1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

"and his word is not in us" <- - -
(WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS)


THAT says you ALREADY HAVE called HIM a LIAR!


Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;


In His Service,
Craig aka 'PreachIt'

 
At 10:29 PM, Anonymous Brad E. said...

One more time, PreachIt: What of the Great Commandment? What of "Be perfect..."? Is God commanding you to do something you're not capable of? Is God a liar, then, or just has a twisted sense of humor? Regarding the 1 John text, you need to reexamine your argument in light of the whole context: notice that your verse "if we say we have no sin..." comes in a passage that begins "This is the message which we have heard from him and declare to you.." (1:5).

John is writing to His church to explain the message of the cross: that we are, without Christ, in sin before God. V. 8 and v. 10 makes it clear that sin is an undeniable reality in the human heart. But v. 9 is the antidote to that condition - that Christ can cleanse us from sin.

Vv. 8 and 10 are not to be understood as part of the "normal" Christian life, but rather the life outside of grace. When John uses the term "we" he speaks as a representative of ALL of mankind.

V. 9 assures us that we can be cleansed of sin. Once we apply the reality of v. 9 to our lives,, then v. 8 no longer applies to us. We CAN say that we are without sin, because Christ has cleansed us!

Isn't this what John himself says in 2:1 "These things I write to you so that YOU MAY NOT SIN."

Obviously he believes it's possible to do so. I wish you could too. There's such joy in the Romans 8 kind of life. Blessings.

 
At 7:16 AM, Anonymous Joel said...

Matt: The Truth WILL set you free! Jesus said so! You've heard of him? Come on board and you'll see.

 
At 8:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt,

I just read your 'Truth Will Not Set You Free,' and was about to take you to task when I stopped to read some of the Blogs posted by others. There's always the usual, but there is also some brilliant stuff that you need to step back from your defensive position that you obviously took up when some "heresy-hunting" radical stepped on your toes and seriously think about.

You speak about Christ-like ministries in terms of "truth applied," all the while pushing truth to a distant second to application of that very truth.

If you don't have the truth, how can you apply it?

And since when is helping people find and keep God's truth, not within the realm of application? I guess our Pastor (and yours) needs to find a real job in God’s plan of application.

Bob

 
At 11:39 PM, Anonymous nuniek nur sahaya said...

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